Talk:Worship
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Verifying Worship Information
I'm taking it upon myself to make sure that the information in our worship table is correct. I'll be recording raw data from my experiments here. Waite 14:27, 6 May 2006 (EDT)
Thanks so very much, Waite, for working on this! Ummm, are you sure that Shizaga steals pracs when training? Thanks! --Dave Garber 15:03, 6 May 2006 (EDT)
Pretty sure shz is bad for adepting. I'll find out for sure soon enough. My hypothesis is that worship messes with your "effective int" in terms of practicing. So, if you're a cen mag shz, when you practice you'll still adept in three, because having one less int doesn't move you into the "adept in 4" int range. Waite 18:31, 6 May 2006 (EDT)
Probably going to be difficult to test this due to the general lack of Qxl characters, but I'm pretty sure that Qxl no longer has the xp gain penalty. People hated that it had both an xp penalty and the triple death penalty, so the xp penalty went. --Neyne 12:55, 7 May 2006 (EDT)
I agree that it'll be tough. Exp gained is one of the facets of worship that I won't be able to verify, simply because the same mobs provide less exp as you kill them over and over. The only way to verify these numbers will be to run with groupies who have experience counters, and compare the results at the end of the run. Hopefully you're right about qxl exp gained, as it is now there seems to be an awful lot of red in his column... Waite 16:16, 7 May 2006 (EDT)
Liewellyn (dragon cleric) just went shz for lowhero based on some data here. He checked regen before and after for mana, and was same. Hp regen was reduced like suggested in table. Heals and divs were both -10% for inclass healing (cleric) and not +10% for inclass like suggested, confirm/update table please? --Laventish 04:28, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
Confirmed the healing penalty with Uan (lizard cleric) a while ago. I confronted an imm (I believe it was Cerdwyn) because Pantheon Courtyard indicates that Shizaga does help healers. "She speaks of the clerics Shizaga has gained, miffed that only the mages think they are the chosen followers. In return for the clerics devotion, Shizaga long ago touched them with her healing grace." Cerdwyn hinted that Shizaga helps healers in other ways than hit points healed, but I have not yet determined what that means.--Neyne 15:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
Just changed shizaga's healing bonus per your results. Thanks for posting them here. It's a shame that you had to figure this out with a dragon :/ BTW, at some point in the past I was told by an imm that this chart is "wrong in multiple places". Hence my (stalled) project of verifying the info. One of these days when I'm not quite as busy I'll get back to work on it... Waite 15:02, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
HP Regen
This data was collected by repeatedly killing a lvl 10 hum war and watching him regen. I was quite surprised by how much the numbers varied, but I repeated the process enough times that I'm confident these numbers are correct.
Deity | HP:tick |
ath | 29 |
bhy | 26 |
dur | 29 |
grn | 24 |
kra | 24 |
qxl | 23 |
rxa | 29 |
shz | 24 |
tor | 30 |
tul | 34 |
wer | 29 |
Death costs
Same alt, lvl 10 hum war
deity | tnl before death | exp loss |
ath | 614 | 386 |
bhy | 807 | 72 |
dur | 173 | 433 |
grn | 606 | 216 |
kra | 216 | 588 |
qxl | 135 | 1296 |
rxa | 199 | 720 |
shz | 104 | 448 |
tor | 552 | 212 |
tul | 764 | 118 |
wer | 602 | 199 |
Practicing
This test was performed with a lvl 10 drw cle, who had 20(23) int
Deity | 1st prac | 2nd prac | 3rd prac | 4th prac | 5th prac |
ath | 39 | 67 | 90 | 95 | |
bhy | 37 | 63 | 84 | 95 | |
dur | 40 | 68 | 92 | 95 | |
grn | 46 | 77 | 95 | ||
kra | 35 | 60 | 81 | 95 | |
qxl | 31 | 54 | 74 | 91 | 95 |
rxa | 39 | 67 | 90 | 95 | |
shz | 37 | 63 | 84 | 95 | |
tor | 35 | 60 | 81 | 95 | |
tul | 39 | 67 | 90 | 95 | |
wer | 37 | 63 | 84 | 95 |
Spell Cost
Same alt, lvl 10 drw cle. Comparing costs of prayer
Deity | cost |
ath | 31 |
bhy | 27 |
dur | 31 |
grn | 32 |
kra | 31 |
qxl | 32 |
rxa | 31 |
shz | 29 |
tor | 34 |
tul | 31 |
wer | 34 |
Verified Quixoltan spell cost penalty. Cen Qxl costs 96mana for enchant, athiest/kra/roix cost 90.
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So, I think Tor does nothing for HP gains. Pre tor, my kzn rog got 7-9 for hp gains... now they still do. Also should be noted that the mana gains have gone down, but I still get 2 max, only less frequently.
I'm starting to think that Quixoltan does not actually help with mana gains. I've got a Centaur Mage worshipping Quixoltan that averages less than 7 mana per level at lowmort, with a TON of 3 mana gains. Seems low for a god that is supposed to help mana gains.--Kerdor 11:43, 7 January 2007 (CST)
This sort of thing will be hard to verify, but I can add some evidence in favor of your assertion. When I first became a lord I went qxl for genesis. After multiple tries I ended up with great hp, but only average mana. Waite
Perhaps it might be worth having Lordcouncil/Immortals look into improving Quixoltan, either by increasing benefits; or removing weaknesses; as right now there is little reason to worship Quixoltan. --Kerdor 11:12, 8 January 2007 (CST)
Tinkered around with open hand damage. The ones that weakened were obvious, but only Gorn produced an easy to see difference. I was testing with a level 12 monk though, so not sure if I was getting a large enough spread. The ones that looked the same were Qxl, Rxa, Shz, Tor, Wer --Masamune 20:35, 10 January 2007 (CST)